back in july with the threshold of those tax hikes being at the $250,000 level. and that they could kind of say to the house, now the ball is in your court, you have to deal with this, it's still very much a possibility, don, that this doesn't work out, that we go over the fiscal cliff, and that was reflected today on the sunday shows from both democrats and republicans, take a listen. >> passing plan b the other night would not have changed the outcome, we're going to go over the cliff before, we're going to go over the cliff now. you cannot negotiate with someone that doesn't want to negotiate. >> in the aftermath of the house republicans rejecting speaker boehn boehner's plan b, i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and that -- if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequence shall act of congressional irresponsibleability in a long time. maybe ever in american history. >> officially, the president is expected to be here -- or is supposedly here in hawaii through the new year, i think the expectation at this point is that with congress re